Adventures With Cup HoldersI thought there might be interest in my little cup holder so here are the painful details.
Finding the right cup holderThe cup holder I used was from an Audi A4 Quattro. I'm not sure what year but I think an early to mid-2000s model. The P/N on the cup holder is
4B0862634D. I confess that I found this by dumb luck. I went to the local pick-and-pull mainly on the hunt for a cup holder from a Subaru Forester because it looked promising from Internet searches. It's rare to come up with dimensions on these things though so I wound up search through every single vehicle in the salvage yard (it isn't a big yard) and found two cup holders worth pulling and paid $5 each for them. One was from the Audi and the other from a Forester (more on that one later).
Later, I learned that the limitation is usually depth. The 914 dash pretty shallow by modern car standards and has only about 165 mm depth from the ash tray face to the bulkhead. Most cassette style couple holders appear to be about 185 mm deep so they won't work. Another problem is the angle the ashtray mounts so it slopes to the bottom. Cup holders that pull straight out will end up at a funky slant. Maybe not a deal killer but awkward and not very Feng Shui. The Audi cup holder checked off two boxes by being small enough to fit within the footprint of the stock ashtray and also has a cool spring loaded slider mechanism that pops out and then tilts down so winds up close to level mounted in the 914 ash tray opening. Again, it was simply dumb luck that I found this device in our tiny little salvage yard.
Here's an ebay pic of the unit I got. Mine was missing the decorative face plate. More on that later. The dimension are 3-3/8W x 5-1/2D x 3/4T
Mounting the CassetteThe original plan was to just fab a custom bracket to screw in in place of the ash tray hanger but the small footprint of the Audi cassette opened the possibility of a plug-and-play solution. A couple years ago I bought an extra ashtray from
@bandjoey with this project in mind and knowing an ashtray would probably be sacrificed in the process.
The only real challenge is that the ashtray is curved to sweep up at an angle and wind up close to level in the open position. The cup holder cassette, of course, is straight. The solution was to cut the top, front and bottom out of the ashtray to leave just the two sides as rails and the back to hold them together. A new cross piece across the top of the front was fabricated.
Click to view attachmentThen I tacked in a spacer on the front to hold the installed cassette in the right position. When installed, the cassette will rest on the dash face opening for the ash tray. The spacer holds it down so it doesn't pop up.
Click to view attachmentI added a little tab at the rear to support the cassette when installed.
Click to view attachmentWhen the cassette slides into place the rear will be higher than the carrier like this.
Click to view attachment To slide the unit in place, you have to pull the cassette forward in the carrier to drop the rear so it will clear the dash opening. Then as the unit slides in, the cassette will slide rearward and up on the tab. The tab is bent to form a little ramp to guide the cassette into place.
Back up front, I added a lower cover plate. This isn't completely necessary since the cassette will be supported by the dash face when installed, but it polishes off the look and helps to solidify the whole thing.
The only other thing needed is to add stops at the front of the slider rail tracks so the unit doesn't slide in too deep. I just ran a weld bead along each side of the front corners and ground them flat. You can kind of see them in the pic of the front spacer.
Finally, the whole thing got painted in satin trim black.
Click to view attachment Modifying the Cup HolderThere are just a couple small things that need removed from the cup holder. Mine came with a receptacle for a light at the rear and a light guide that ran to the front to an indicator. The receptacle needs to be removed so the cassette will slide all the way to the back of the carrier. I ground mine off but then discovered it just clipped on. I also had to grind off a couple ridges on the face of the drawer but as I mentioned, mine was missing the face plate. This makes a difference in the next step.
I also had to make up some acrylic spacers that I solvent welded onto the drawer front. This was to create a surface to attach the ash tray front in the right position that it is flush with the dash when closed. It has to be done after the ash tray front is sculpted. If the face plate is still attached, I'm not sure if spacers will be needed. You might be able to sculpt the ash tray face to attache directly.
Click to view attachment Sculpting the Ash Tray FrontI didn't take any pics of this as it was a learn as you go process. You have to hollow out the recess on the back side of the ash tray front to create a flat surface to attach it to the front of the cup holder. You also have to grind down the depth so it will be flush with the dash when closed. You also have to thing the top lip so it will clear the space between the top of the cup holder drawer and padded dash opening. You might also have to remove a small amount of material on the back side of the lip to clear the circle of the cup holder opening. I did all this with a combination of a dremel, 2" angle grinder, belt sander, and oscillating spindle sander. The last was to clear the cup holder circle and isn't necessary. There is a metal frame inside the ash tray front so be prepared for that.
After a lot of test fitting, grinding a little, and more fitting, the ash tray front was attached with 3M Trim Tape.
Another IdeaBack to that Subaru cup holder. It didn't work for the dash install but there is a place I think it would work. It isn't completely stealth, but could be interesting.
Click to view attachment One reason I'm fascinated with the Forester cup holder is because they also make an interesting two cup version. I found one at the junk yard but it was all busted up and unusable. I did verify that the width is about the same as the 914 ash tray front. These holders also are adjustable for both small and large diameter cups.
Here's the one I have.
Click to view attachment Click to view attachment And here's what the two cup version looks like.
Click to view attachmentThe single version would fit inside the center cushion for sure and I think the double version would too. It doesn't look like it would interfere with shifting but would block the heater lever a bit. Interesting idea anyway.