bkrantz
Jun 20 2023, 06:54 PM
Mixed with a bit of dye, the oil glows orange.
bkrantz
Jun 20 2023, 06:55 PM
I poured the entire bottle into the oil fill, and check the UV reaction.
bkrantz
Jun 20 2023, 06:57 PM
I first ran the engine for about 30 seconds, to see if there is an obvious leak. Underneath with UV light I only found some residue that did not get cleaned off. And no orange.
bkrantz
Jun 20 2023, 07:00 PM
I then did 60 seconds (idle), 5 minutes (idle), and 5 minutes with some revving up to about 2500 rpm. Nothing visible in UV underneath. I checked the oil on the dipstick and still got some orange, but maybe less than before, and more blue.
bkrantz
Jun 20 2023, 07:07 PM
I then did two sessions of about 8 to 10 minutes, with running and revving at 3000 to almost 5000 rpm. The temp gauge got into normal warmed-up range, and my new oil pressure gauge showed about 40 psi at 4000 rpm.
Underneath I found a bit of new oil dripped down--but no orange under UV. At this point, any oil, new or old, showed only as blue. This now reduces the utility of the UV.
bkrantz
Jun 20 2023, 07:11 PM
I spent a lot of time looking with UV, and took a lot of pictures. My best guess is that I have a leak from the upper oil galley plug. Way back I had the original plugs pulled and the case threaded. During my second rebuild, I installed the threaded plugs with Weld-on White Seal Plus thread sealant.
bkrantz
Jun 20 2023, 07:31 PM
I also found a path of oil on the angular case piece that leads up to the oil cooler. This was not really wet, and the uncertainty about the dyed oil makes me unsure.
bkrantz
Jun 20 2023, 07:35 PM
Bottom line, I am pretty sure that at least one threaded plug is leaking, and have a maybe on oil cooler seals. When it cools down I will look more carefully.
But I am disappointed that the UV dye gave up its color, and made it harder to recognize new leaks.
930cabman
Jun 21 2023, 11:15 AM
I feel your pain, built a 2056 and she runs great. Chasing an oil leak in the same area, I found one of the new aluminum tapped plugs was leaking. Completed an (attempted) repair in place. Thought I had it, but I am still getting a small leak in the same area.
Puebloswatcop
Jun 21 2023, 05:05 PM
Bob, Sorry you didn't have better luck with the UV dye. I have had good success in the past, so not sure why it didn't produce better results. I hope you can at least seal up the oil plug leak.
bkrantz
Jun 22 2023, 08:48 PM
I took another look today, with regular light. Here is the biggest oil drip, which I think came from the galley plug.
bkrantz
Jun 22 2023, 08:49 PM
Hard to see, but a possible second leak might be from the oil cooler seals.
bkrantz
Jun 22 2023, 08:50 PM
And so I stripped everything off the top of the motor, and disconnected all wires, cables, and fuel lines.
bkrantz
Jun 22 2023, 08:52 PM
This time I put a bright red rag in the oil filler cavity. You might remember that last time I tucked a paper towel in there, forgot about it, and then tried to fill the engine with oil and made a BIG mess.
bkrantz
Jun 22 2023, 08:54 PM
Underneath, I removed the muffler, shift rod, and some sheet metal, and disconnected all the cables and half-shafts. I then got my plywood cradle and motorcycle jack in place.
bkrantz
Jun 22 2023, 08:56 PM
A piece of cardboard on each side to protect the sheet metal from the nuts in the trailing arm pivots.
bkrantz
Jun 22 2023, 08:59 PM
Then time to undo the cross beam bolts and the transaxle mount bolts, and lower the engine down. It took me about 4 hours, taking my time and with a few distractions.
bkrantz
Jun 22 2023, 08:59 PM
Ready for the second attempt to find and fix oil leaks.
Cairo94507
Jun 23 2023, 07:55 AM
Man, I feel for you. Gotta love your determination chasing that leak.
I still have a couple on my car but they will have to wait until we drop the motor/transaxle to address them. Maybe over the winter that will happen. Right now I get 2 dime-sized drips when parked after a week or so. No where near how bad it was as we solved a few of the easy to do leaks.
Puebloswatcop
Jun 23 2023, 04:52 PM
Bob, I gotta say your love and dedication to this car is awesome. Don't give up, I know you will track this down
bkrantz
Jun 23 2023, 06:47 PM
OK, here with go. Wait for a surprise(?) ending.
First I took off the front sheet metal, alternator, and blower housing. Looking around, not much I did not see from underneath.
bkrantz
Jun 23 2023, 06:48 PM
Under UV, the same indication that the galley plugs leaked.
bkrantz
Jun 23 2023, 06:49 PM
No indication of leaks from the front seal.
bkrantz
Jun 23 2023, 06:51 PM
Some older-looking oil on the case flange and the left motor mount. I think this is left over from the topside spill.
bkrantz
Jun 23 2023, 06:52 PM
Also left-over(?) oil on the rubber.
bkrantz
Jun 23 2023, 06:53 PM
Again the front seal looks dry--yay!
bkrantz
Jun 23 2023, 06:54 PM
Looks like the stock front plug is also leaking.
bkrantz
Jun 23 2023, 06:56 PM
Oil pooled on top of the filter, almost certainly from above.
bkrantz
Jun 23 2023, 06:57 PM
As planned I went to remove the oil cooler, but the bracket for the Hall sensor is in the way. So another part comes off.
bkrantz
Jun 23 2023, 07:00 PM
The cooler seals actually look pretty good. But there's a clue from up above the cooler.
bkrantz
Jun 23 2023, 07:03 PM
Yup, there's my creative plumbing for the dual oil pressure senders. I guess I have been in denial about the potential for this to leak.
bkrantz
Jun 23 2023, 07:04 PM
No denying now--this looks like a real leak.
bkrantz
Jun 23 2023, 07:05 PM
Looks leaky and cruddy.
bkrantz
Jun 23 2023, 07:06 PM
I pulled all the sheet metal on the right side for better access.
bkrantz
Jun 23 2023, 07:07 PM
And the oil filter mount. This gasket looks good.
bkrantz
Jun 23 2023, 07:08 PM
And finally the galley plugs. The upper one looks wet.
bkrantz
Jun 23 2023, 07:09 PM
And the lower one, too.
bkrantz
Jun 23 2023, 07:09 PM
And the stock plug.
bkrantz
Jun 23 2023, 07:11 PM
But the smaller plug on the right side, on the casting for the oil cooler mount, looks dry.
bkrantz
Jun 23 2023, 07:13 PM
I have to think about what to do with the oil pressure senders, but replacing the galley plugs should be easy, right?
Here is what I used last time.
bkrantz
Jun 23 2023, 07:14 PM
But I would rather try something different, probably this. Stay tuned.
FlacaProductions
Jun 23 2023, 07:35 PM
I would see if you could find a 42 Draft Design relocation kit and go that way. No longer available new but put up a WTB here and one will show. Or at the very least, go with a hose (I think Tangerine can supply?) and get the splitter away from being directly in the block.
Personally, I've had good luck with the Permatex pictured but have not used it on galley plugs.
930cabman
Jun 24 2023, 05:58 AM
Great detective work Bob, it's probable a bit of oil is coming from several sources.
Cairo94507
Jun 24 2023, 07:12 AM
Congratulations on chasing that down to its likely source. That has to feel great!
bkrantz
Jun 24 2023, 07:53 PM
QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Jun 24 2023, 07:12 AM)
Congratulations on chasing that down to its likely source. That has to feel great!
Thanks, but I will not celebrate yet.
bkrantz
Jun 24 2023, 07:54 PM
Starting to put things back together today. Step 1: clean the thread galley openings.
bkrantz
Jun 24 2023, 07:55 PM
Step 2: clean the plugs.
bkrantz
Jun 24 2023, 07:56 PM
Step 3: apply thread sealant.
bkrantz
Jun 24 2023, 07:57 PM
Step 4: insert plugs and make TIGHT.
bkrantz
Jun 24 2023, 07:58 PM
Including the plugs on the cooler casting boss.
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