Ottomotion
Jul 6 2023, 09:05 PM
[/quote]I might go nuclear and use JB Weld.
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If it is cracked, every time you go to tighten it, it will want to open up and the goo solutions will be compromised. I think JB Weld might be the exception....
Fingers crossed!
BTW this is an outstanding thread regardless of the outcome. You are to be commended for your efforts and contributions to the 914 community.
Cairo94507
Jul 7 2023, 06:44 AM
Indeed.
Shivers
Jul 7 2023, 06:53 AM
930cabman
Jul 7 2023, 09:58 AM
[quote name='Ottomotion' date='Jul 6 2023, 09:05 PM' post='3087857']
[/quote]I might go nuclear and use JB Weld.
[/quote]
If it is cracked, every time you go to tighten it, it will want to open up and the goo solutions will be compromised. I think JB Weld might be the exception....
Fingers crossed!
BTW this is an outstanding thread regardless of the outcome. You are to be commended for your efforts and contributions to the 914 community.
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I would consider JB or another 2 part epoxy with minimal torque.
Or an aluminum tapered plug
bkrantz
Jul 7 2023, 07:18 PM
QUOTE(Shivers @ Jul 7 2023, 06:53 AM)
Thanks for the lead. This might work but the space behind the motor mount is limited.
bkrantz
Jul 10 2023, 07:23 PM
Her we go again. One thing I found that might have contributed to my problems getting a good seal: even through I tried to clean all the oil out of the galley, after sitting for a few day enough drained down to flow out.
bkrantz
Jul 10 2023, 07:28 PM
Using a mirror to see how much oil pooled in the bottom of the galley, I can imagine how it contaminated the thread sealants I tried after previous adventures with the plug, from the inside.
This time I cleaned it out again, and waited long enough (I hope) to make sure no more oil draining down.
bkrantz
Jul 10 2023, 07:31 PM
Fedex brought this today. Same basic diameter and thread pitch as the stock plug, but brass. This should have thermal expansion closer to the aluminum case. Obvisouly, the brass plug is taller.
bkrantz
Jul 10 2023, 07:32 PM
Good news: it does thread into the hole.
bkrantz
Jul 10 2023, 07:35 PM
Bad news: with a moderate amount of torque, this is as far as it screws in.
bkrantz
Jul 10 2023, 07:36 PM
A reminder, the stock plug screws in flush to clear the motor mount bracket.
bkrantz
Jul 10 2023, 07:37 PM
So I tried this, and cut off as much of the plug top as I could and still left enough of the hex to (barely) seat the Allen wrench.
bkrantz
Jul 10 2023, 07:39 PM
A test fit, and without torquing too hard I got it almost flush. I did grind the end of my 10mm Allen wrench to get some sharp corners.
bkrantz
Jul 10 2023, 07:41 PM
And a new goo to try, hard-setting Permatex. I rubbed a bit of this into the case hole threads, and then coated the plug threads.
bkrantz
Jul 10 2023, 07:45 PM
I was able to screw the plug in almost flush. I did not want to risk slipping the wrench and ruining the plug.
bkrantz
Jul 10 2023, 07:47 PM
Just enough clearance for the motor mount.
I bolted in the cross bar, and will wait at least 48 hours before I try to run the engine.
bkrantz
Jul 11 2023, 06:48 PM
Still letting my latest plug attempt cure. I decided to replace the taco plate seals since there seems to be some weeping there.
bkrantz
Jul 11 2023, 06:49 PM
All the parts, with new O-ring, gasket, and copper washers.
bkrantz
Jul 11 2023, 06:50 PM
All set, with a dab of sealant under the bolt heads.
bkrantz
Jul 13 2023, 06:57 PM
After giving the Permatex 72 hours to set, I ran the engine for about 20 minutes, enough to get it close to hot. No visible leaks from the brass plug.
bkrantz
Jul 13 2023, 06:58 PM
The taco plate is dry, too. But I need to let it cool down overnight to be more sure.
Cairo94507
Jul 14 2023, 08:17 AM
Praying you solved that troubling issue.
Ottomotion
Jul 14 2023, 10:15 AM
Such great documentation!
Fingers crossed. Looks really promising....
bkrantz
Jul 14 2023, 07:35 PM
Well, I took a quick look this morning...
bkrantz
Jul 14 2023, 07:35 PM
No oil drips!
bkrantz
Jul 14 2023, 07:37 PM
And as best I can see, the new plug is also dry.
I don't want to jinx things, so I will not even think about claiming success. But I do feel good enough to put everything back together and take the car for a drive.
raynekat
Jul 15 2023, 01:38 AM
Looking good Bob. Wow, that is some oil leak adventure you are on.
I've been away from the site and just catching up with your work tonight.
We are moving next month....bye, bye Oregon.
Cairo94507
Jul 15 2023, 07:10 AM
cassmcentee
Jul 15 2023, 07:12 AM
Puebloswatcop
Jul 15 2023, 11:55 AM
Bob, you are the picture of persistance and awesomeness....Great job.
bkrantz
Jul 15 2023, 08:06 PM
Thanks, guys. Now don't jinx me. I know the 914 gods are sneaky and fickle. I MAY feel more confident after a couple of drives.
bkrantz
Jul 18 2023, 07:11 PM
Back home, and a bit of 914 time. Still no oil drops so I put everything back together, starting with all the blower ducts on the left side.
bkrantz
Jul 18 2023, 07:12 PM
Left side lower sheet metal.
bkrantz
Jul 18 2023, 07:12 PM
Shift rod. And checked everything.
bkrantz
Jul 18 2023, 07:14 PM
Back on the wheels--finally. Tomorrow I should have time for a drive.
Cairo94507
Jul 19 2023, 05:54 AM
DRPHIL914
Jul 19 2023, 08:16 AM
Awesome, persistence pays off, hope you have solved the issue.
Nice not to have dripping on the floor or on the HE right??
Phil
bkrantz
Jul 19 2023, 07:27 PM
QUOTE(DRPHIL914 @ Jul 19 2023, 08:16 AM)
Awesome, persistence pays off, hope you have solved the issue.
Nice not to have dripping on the floor or on the HE right??
Phil
Yes! (crosses fingers, knocks on wood, and lights a candle)
bkrantz
Jul 19 2023, 07:28 PM
Only a quick drive today, but long enough and time for a quick glamour shot.
930cabman
Jul 20 2023, 04:53 AM
Lookin good
jesse7flying
Jul 20 2023, 08:34 AM
You've done a great job buddy. Congrats!
bkrantz
Jul 20 2023, 07:33 PM
Thanks, guys. One more good sign today, after the engine cooled overnight: no drips!
Finally, I can get on to playing with the engine tune again.
Lilchopshop
Jul 21 2023, 06:34 AM
NS914
Jul 21 2023, 07:52 AM
Hi Bob, I have likely sent a similar message in the past but its worth repeating! I cannot tell you how thankful I am that people like you and especially you take the time and effort to detail your builds in the manner you have.
Your attention to detail, kind explanations to us in the community and truly your photos of every step are incredible and so helpful. I have just taken my motor out for what I hope is the last time...will adjust valves, timing as well if I find a way to build a proper test stand) or even a not so proper one...LOL!
I have been sprinkling more demanding jobs with less demanding and or fun ones...so buying lots of parts and more recently seals from 914 Rubber as well.
All this to say, thank you so much for such a well documented build. Awesome!!!
Best Regards, Grant
NS914
Jul 21 2023, 08:06 AM
Bob, what is that wires coming out of the tin in the foreground with the blue connector on it? I should know these things but...LOL. thanks for the underside pics to re Clutch, Speedo routing.
930cabman
Jul 21 2023, 09:50 AM
I nominate Bob for best 914 restoration of the year
if there is such a thing
Ottomotion
Jul 21 2023, 10:06 AM
I second!
Excellent work!
You will need to bring a full mirror array to place under the car when parked so people can appreciate the level of detail under the car as well as from above. Superb!
nivekdodge
Jul 21 2023, 09:16 PM
Bob
beautiful work. I use your post for direction all the time and now i'm confused as I see something and can't get back to it. .Doesn't take much. Oil temp. While looking for something else , I thought i saw you make a t fitting for the pressure and temp senders both on top of the motor. But now there's that one on the taco plate. What's up?
Kevin
bkrantz
Jul 22 2023, 08:22 AM
QUOTE(NS914 @ Jul 21 2023, 07:52 AM)
Hi Bob, I have likely sent a similar message in the past but its worth repeating! I cannot tell you how thankful I am that people like you and especially you take the time and effort to detail your builds in the manner you have.
Your attention to detail, kind explanations to us in the community and truly your photos of every step are incredible and so helpful. I have just taken my motor out for what I hope is the last time...will adjust valves, timing as well if I find a way to build a proper test stand) or even a not so proper one...LOL!
I have been sprinkling more demanding jobs with less demanding and or fun ones...so buying lots of parts and more recently seals from 914 Rubber as well.
All this to say, thank you so much for such a well documented build. Awesome!!!
Best Regards, Grant
Grant, I appreciate your kind words. I am very glad to be part of this community, and to be able to share my story. That has helped me as well, especially during some episodes that have been frustrating.
Anyway, we 914 addicts have to stick together.
bkrantz
Jul 22 2023, 08:24 AM
QUOTE(NS914 @ Jul 21 2023, 08:06 AM)
Bob, what is that wires coming out of the tin in the foreground with the blue connector on it? I should know these things but...LOL. thanks for the underside pics to re Clutch, Speedo routing.
Do you mean this one (circled)? If so, that is the adapter cable I made to connect the stock oil pressure wire, with female spade connector (for the idiot light) to the VDO sender, with loop connector.
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